Ira Michaelson – Treasures from the Tanakh – Job 1:1-1:22
Who wrote the Book of Job and when was it written? Was Job considered a king and/or priest of sorts? What were Job’s son’s appointed days? Who are “the sons of God”? How are we to understand Satan and the role and authority of the adversary?
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Nice, whats next Jono, “Bricks from the Brit”? Keep it up. Stay sharp and set apart,
YAHยดblessings from Berlin!
Thank you so much for doing this. It is so nice to get a perspective from someone who knows Hebrew and can shed light on difficult passages. Praise Yehovah for sending good teachers our way and thank you Jono for giving them a place to teach from to reach thousands around the globe.
Thank you guys so much. I was give the first Bible I have had in long time by a man at work. After he gave it me I finally started somethihng I had been think about most of my life. Reading the Bible. I did something that would be novel to most Christians. I started at the beging and funny enough the firs words were “In the beging.” I have now come to Job and even bing prepare for the poetry. Job is turning into 2nd Chronicles for. A book that I am reading but will take actualy studying to even start to understand. Though 2nd Chronicles was so much understanding as it was keep track of where I was at in all those names.
I have been having quite an issue with the whole satan thing since I started studying the word because of a teaching I heard here on truth2u and what Nehemia said about the angel and Balaam.
After hearing this today, I am even more at odds with my previous belief. This is not a bad thing in my mind. This is a good thing. I just wish I understood it better.
I would love to know how far Ira is from Ormond Beach or even Astor. I know Claremont was mentioned, just don’t know if it’s Claremont literally or surrounding area.
Also, does Ira have a fellowship there?
Thanks for this teaching! I really, really appreciate it…
WOW!!! Where do you find these guys, Jono. Thank you Mr. Michaelson. Thank you Jono. And thank you truth2U.org.
Shelly, Ira is leader at Congregation Beth Tefillah http://www.bethtefillah.com in Clermont, Fl.
Thank you everyone for the positive comments.
Thank you both for an enlightening discussion. I’m really looking forward to the rest of Job.
Many thanks again to you Jono for providing us with another flavor of the Tanakh. You’re efforts and innovation are really high up there. Yehovah bless you and your family and all your future ventures of broadcasting these Torah teachings. You, Nehemia, Keith, Yo’El and Ira are a light to us who are in the nations.
With lots of ahava, from Shillong, North East India.
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Look forward to next week”
Shalom…
Hey Jono and Ira: Sandy here, from Lakeland, FL. Thanks for this study in Job, and I look forward to more. Yesterday I was excited and blessed to attend Beth Tefillah congregation to meet and hear Nehemia in person and what a nice surprise to meet JoceIyn… ๐ I’m reading Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence and praise YHVH for what he has revealed to Nehemia in his life. Thanks to Ira and Beth Tefillah for their ministry.
In Job 1:3 says that Job was greatest of all the men of the east. Does that mean Job was not an Israelite? the pattern in the Torah seems to indicate” of the east” is not of the land. In book of Jasher says that Job gave counsel to Pharoah against Israel and I know this is not part of the Bible, but was looking at it as historical information. Was blessed by this study and can’t wait to hear more. Shalom
Great Job Ira!
Thank you for explaining the role of ha satan, which surprisingly is actually comforting coming from my tradition.
These past few years I’ve felt as if blindsided with unexpected trials in life and I know I’m definitely not alone. It is easier to cope with a much greater realization to accept that it is Yehovah that gives and it is Yehovah that takes away
Blessed be the name of Yehovah!
Another fantastic series! You really are spoiling us Jono! I can’t wait to hear more.
Hello jono Good discussion, but I would like to state that Ira may have been mistaken on the on the Karev and ketiv notes that he said on job 1:5, 11 if you look on your hebrew bible there is no such notes or marks… According to Gins.Int, p. 363, there are โa few passages into which changes have been introduced by the authorised redactors of the text, but which are not expressly mentioned in the official Lists. Foremost amongst these are instances in which the original reading described blasphemy or cursing God. Such profane phrases were deemed offensive to the ears of the devote[d] worshippers when the Scriptures were read publicly before the congregation.โ We have restored the text to the original reading in the following seven places: 2Sa 12:14; 1Ki 21:10, 13; Job 1:5, 11; 2:5, 9….so according to Ginsburg those so called Emendations in the Text are Not Recorded in the Masoretic Notes…now as to those restorations it is based on the reading of the greek LXX not on any Hebrew text…my understanding of the text based on what job 2:9 said We translate ืืจื ืืืืื ืืืช barech Elohim vamuth, Curse God, and die. The verb ืืจื barach is supposed to include in it the ideas of cursing and blessing; but it is not clear that it has the former meaning in any part of the sacred writings, though we sometimes translate it so. Here it seems to be a strong irony. Job was exceedingly afflicted, and apparently dying through sore disease; yet his soul was filled with gratitude to God. His wife, destitute of the salvation which her husband possessed, gave him this ironical reproof. Bless God, and die – in other words .. bless him for his goodness, while he is destroying all that you had! bless him for his support, while he is casting you down and destroying you! Bless on, and die.The import of this taunting reproach I take to be: Bless God (if you will), and die! for that is all it will profit you.โ] She therefore counsels Job to do that which Satan has boasted to accomplish…but I believe in a mocking way to yehovah…what is interesting is what the Targum says that Jobโs wifeโs name was Dinah, and that the words which she spake to him on this occasion were ืืจืื ืืืืจื ืืื ืืืืช berich meymera dayai umith. Bless the word of the Lord, and die. anyway jono just wanted to share this info with you….love all the shows keep up the good work you all do ….Yehovah eemcha …shalom.
Pedro,
What I did with the text you describe is mention that a Euphenism was used here. I also described what kare/Ketiv is, but I made not mention that this is in the Masoretic notes. I might have chosen my words differently, but I was trying to explain to the listeners that there are times that we see something written different than when it is read.
Sorry for any confusion.
Wow, I totally disagree with the rationalization given concerning the phrase “Sons of God”. From my studies, Rabbinical Judaism did not historically hold to this idea and only became prominent after the 1st century or thereabouts when they threw aside the book of Enoch because so much is written therein about the Messiah that matches with Yeshua. I have studied this topic out in detail for over a year so my opinion is not given in passing without study. The book of Enoch is quoted about 200 times in the Bible. Early believers without a doubt held to its writings. Its my opinion that because Enoch mentions twice the evil of abortion, Satan had to get it removed in order to pull off the biggest mass genocide of humanity in the future.
Also your view on Satan is disagreeable. Its so obvious yet we are quick to side with Rabbinical teachings instead of what is so plainly written in the text.
Love the show, love the topic but couldn’t disagree more on these two points. Blessings!
Good show Ira, keep it going!!!!
Ira, I’m very curious to hear what you say about revelation 12:7-9 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
revelation 20:1-3 (where they cast satan into bottomless pit for 1000 years). Thanks!
Also, why was the snake cursed for getting Eve to sin if it was only doing what it was told to?
It wasn’t actually told to deceive Eve but it was created “crafty”. My cat is also created crafty, but at least it keeps the snakes away ๐
Thanks Jono..I guess what I’m alluding to is in revelation 12:9 and 20:2 the “serpent” is cast out for deceiving the nations…just like it deceived Eve. So what I am saying is either it was told to our it wasn’t told too. I agree that it wasn’t told to and therefore punished for what it did..just like it will be cast out in revelations for deceiving again (now whether that’s metaphorically speaking..yes, probably..I haven’t seen a talking snake since I’ve been alive..though I believe it very well probably was in the garden of Eden). So I guess my point is that IF the “serpent” who is referred to as “satan” and “devil” in revelations is cast out (as was punished in Eden) then IT/HE (whatever it is lol) was doing something it was NOT told to do. However, IF satan/adversary/serpent only does what it is told to do then it should not be getting punished at all (and would be being righteous in being obedient). So much to really ponder. Any thoughts on this? In one sense the serpent seems to be causing deceit and trouble but then satan/advesary can only do what is allowed of him (though so can we but many still disobey)..wow what a overload of information to think about!
Utz son of Aram (Aramaen) one of the seventy nations from Noah and grandson of Seth. Based on this and other information i would agree that Syria or Northern Israel is where the land of Utz would have been. A recent news article about the slaughter of christians in Syria was about the oldest christian village where all spoke Aramaic, sorry forgotten the name but the western sponsored and trained Islamic jihadists murdered most of them about a month ago. So sad…..Shabbat Shalom.