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1. 

   Margie Loubser says

   PRAISE YAHSHUA ALL,

   THIS FICTICIOUS FIGURE ACCORDING TO YOU, (MY HOW i HAVE READ YOU SO WRONG MR JONO) ALSO MADE A STATEMENT CONCERNING THE TEMPLE, AND SAID THAT IT WOULD BE CAST DOWN, AND RIGHTLY SO AS THERE WOULD BE NO MORE USE FOR IT AFTER HE HAD PAID THE BLOOD PRICE ONCE FOR ALL. WELL IN 70AD JUST THAT HAPPENED AND AS THERE IS NO MORE USE FOR IT AND TO NULLIFY JUDIASIM AS THEY FROM THAT POINT AND EVEN TODAY HAVE NO PLACE OF SACRIFICE, SO THEY HAVE NO BLOOD AND NO ATONEMENT FOR THEIR SOULS LEV 17:11 (FOR IT IS THE BLOOD THAT MAKES AN ATONEMENT FOR THE SOUL). WHAT DAY WAS THIS DONE ON THIS VERY DAY SPOKEN OF IN YOUR PROGRAM, PERFORMED BY THE HIGH PRIEST WITH THE GOAT OF ATONEMENT ON YOM KIPPUR. WELL YOU DON’T HAVE ONE NOW AND IT IS AMAZING THAT THIS ONE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CRUSIFY ONCE AGAIN, THIS TIME WITH YOUR MOUTH, MADE MENTION THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND OH MY IT SURE DID.
   SO THIS YOM KIPPUR WE WILL HAVE A BLOOD SACRIFICE AS YAHSHUA ENTERED THE HOLY OF HOLIES ONCE FOR ALL, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY YOU DON’T BELIEVE (IT WOULD FINALLY APPEAR THANK YOU FOR REVEALING IT YAHSHUA). SO THIS DETERMINES THAT WE HAVE A BLOOD SACRIFICE THIS YOM KIPPUR AND YOU DON’T HAVE AN ATONEMENT ON THE DAY OF ATONEMENT BECAUSE THE WORDS OF (ACCORDING TO YOU) OF THE FALSE MESSIAH CAME TRUE AND YOU HAVE NO TEMPLE OR PLACE TO SACRIFICE. PLEASE DON’T GIVE ME THE BULLS OF YOUR LIPS STORY, BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL SO EAGER TO REBUILD THE TEMPLE AND THEN THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, FOR WHAT IF THE BULLS OF YOUR LIPS ARE GOOD ENOUGH. WELL IF THAT BE TRUE AS YOU ARE GIVING US ALL THIS TRUTH VIA TRUTH2U THEN JUST CARRY ON WITH THE BULLS OF YOUR LIPS. ANYWAY YOU AND YOUR FRIEND AS YOU CALL THAT EDITION OF MASTER OF YOUR SOUL (RABBI), WILL HAVE SOME BORING EXPLAINATION FOR THAT AS WELL ONE WOULD SUPPOSE.
   BUT OH WAIT THERE IS A SOLUTION THAT THE MATERS OF YOUR SOUL HAVE FIGURED OUT FOR YOU AS AN INTERIM MEASURE, WHILE THEY TRY AND GET THE THIRD TEMPLE GOING. DON’T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE IMPLEMENTATION FROM ESPECIALLY THE ARK OF THE COVERNANT, MAYBE YOU CAN ASK THE ETHIOPIANS TO GIVE IT BACK. ANYWAY WHERE WAS i? OH YES THE INTERIM MEASURE. ACCORDING TO THE MASTERS OF YOUR SOUL, THE INTERIM MEASURE IS THAT YOU CAN SWING A CHICKEN AROUND ABOVE YOUR HEAD, NOT TOO SURE IF IT IS TO BE WITHOUT BLEMISH OR NOT, HOPEFULLY FOR YOU IT NEEDS TO BE DEAD, OH HOLD ON THEN YOU MAY BE UNCLEAN UNTIL EVENING, ALSO DON’T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE TO KILL IT AND WHERE YOU PLACE THE BLOOD. LAST OF ALL, IS IF YOU SWING IT CLOCK WISE OR ANTI CLOCK WISE? BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CLEAR THAT ONE UP FOR YOU. JUST AS THEY HAVE CLEARED THE ISSUE ABOUT THE UNAVAILABLE UNCLEAN SNAIL FOR THE BLUE DYE THAT WE NEED FOR THE TSIT TSIT, THAT IS REPRESETATIVE OF CLEAN TORAH. ANYWAY HAPPY SWINGING ON YOM KIPPUR, NOW THAT WE ARE REALLY GETTING INTO THE SWING OF THINGS. JUST DEPENDS ON IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE MUSIC TO THE 1950’s OR THE 1960’s, OH HOLD ON PITTY YOUNNEVER MENTIONED THE 1930’s AND 1940’s BECAUSE i THINK THATNISVWHERE THE SWING ERA WAS FROM, NOT TOO SURE THOUGH COULD BE WRONG DUMB MESSIANIC YOU KNOW. CHOW FOR NOW JONO OR SHOULD i SAY ONO, YOU REALLY ARE BECOMING QUITE A JOKO ARE’NT YOU NOW ONO? BEST GET SWINGING BECAUSE YOU ARE ABOUT 1900 PLUS SACRIFICES IN ARREARS, STOP JOKOING AROUND NOW ONO, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET JOHN TO HELP YOU, ONO HE IS DEAD, OH SORRY WAS i DOUBLE DIPPING THERE, WHO ARE YOU TO SAY HOW MANY TIMES ANYTHING SHOULD BE WRITTEN OR REFERRED TO IN THE SCRIPTURES? BUT AS THE FALSE MESSIAH (ACCORDING TO YOU) HAS SAID AND COMMANDED US TO DO, DESPITE ALL YOUR INSULTS, WE REALLY ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS ARE’NT WE? YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL RATHER FOLLOW THE FALSE MESSIAHS INSTRUCTION (TORAH) AND SAY TO YOU JONO AND YOUR LEARNED FRIEND, LOVE IN YAHSHUA AND MAY HE BLESS YOU.

2. 

   Aaron Kavli says

   It could work if (and that’s a weak if) Judas’ death was not written in sequence. Of course, it says he did repent so I’m not sure how that fits with the Unrepentant death of the Betrayer part. Otherwise I guess Judas would have to be standing next to Lazarus and looking up from sheol… possibly still standing in his pile of guts.

   Listening to this sort of discussion always makes me shake my head about what I used to so easily believe or ignore. Sort of like remembering Speed Racer was cool cartoon. Yikes!

   YHVH Bless,
   Aaron Kavli

3. 

   Trent says

   Thankyou Jono and Rabbi Michael for another biblical showdown. The front versus the back hehe
   One theory i have heard regarding the 12 is that the greek word for 12 mainly means or refers to a group of around 12. This could be the same porous explanation/excuse that Michael couldnt recall, and no wonder really.
   Looks like you two hit a nerve with Margie hehe
   Maggie if your listening, keep reading dear!

   Really looking forward to Yom Kippur this year, although not by the jewish calendar.
   Cheers fella’s, keep up the good work!

   Gmar Chatima Tova!

4. 

   Andrew says

   Re the twelve mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:5. Could it be that the twelve referred to is not the eleven + Judas but the eleven + Matthias from Acts 1:21-26. He was with them throughout Yeshua’s ministry so would also have been a witness.

5. 

   Penina says

   Good show. I will listen again. Probably right now.

   I appreciate hearing the truth and that you guys call it what it is, and are not winding around sideways, upside down and back again to “prove” that Jesus a/k/a Yeshua (and now apparently has another name, Yahshua) was someone other than who and what Scripture tells us for the sole purpose of gaining listeners.

   I didn’t find your name calling and insults all that amusing, Margie Loubser, even though you ended your comment with “Love in Yahshua”. That’s usually the type of love I see coming from Christians or Messianics. Just words.

   Jono, the reason for the music of the 60’s was the music of the 50’s. 😉 It was absolutely necessary.

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   Penina says

   I was so stunned by the first hateful comment I forgot to mention the Mel Gibson movie. I don’t recall either, exactly what happened in the scene with Judas. It seems that it was pretty gruesome. I remember there was a rope and later his body hanging from the tree. I would never watch it again.

   It was a HORRIBLE movie. I thought I would be doing a good thing by taking a 14 year old boy to see it. He went to the lobby to wait for me. When violence in a movie is too much for a typical 14 year old boy, that’s a clue that something is terribly wrong.

7. 

   kris says

   Rebuking “Seen By The Twelve”

   11 AND 12: EXPLAINED
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   We read of “the eleven gathered together, and those who were with them” in Luke 24:33, when Cleopas and the unnamed disciple with Cleopas first arrived and found the other disciples in Jerusalem. When Cleopas and the unnamed disciple reported having seen Yeshua to the others, they did not believe them (see Mark 16:13). Then, while Cleopas and the unnamed disciple with Cleopas were speaking with the other disciples, Yeshua stood in the midst of them (see Luke 24:36, John 20:19). At this point (when Yeshua appeared), we know for certain that Thomas was not there (see John 20:24). We do not, however, know exactly how many disciples were there when Yeshua appeared, nor do we know if any left between the time that Cleopas arrived and the time that Yeshua appeared.

   Two possibilities concerning “the eleven” in Luke 24:33…
   First Possibility: Thomas was there when Cleopas first arrived and found the other disciples in Jerusalem, but then Thomas left before Yeshua appeared.

   OR:

   Second Possibility: Thomas was not there when Cleopas first arrived and found the other disciples in Jerulsalem. Rather, “the eleven gathered together” included Matthias (the disciples’ choice for Judas’ replacement). This is a possibility assuming that Matthias was chosen before Luke wrote/finished his gospel account.

   Conclusion: We see from “the eleven” in Mark 16:14 that the latter explanation of Luke 24:33 is most likely. There were eleven of the main apostles when Cleopas arrived; and there were eleven of the main apostles when Yeshua appeared; and Thomas was not there. We therefore conclude that the eleven included Matthias (the disciples’ choice for Judas’ replacement). This is a possibility assuming that Matthias was chosen before Luke and Mark wrote/finished their gospel accounts.

   So we conclude:
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   TIME – Yeshua appears to two disciples on the road to Emmaus (CG 237, Week 64, Day 442)

   LUKE

   Luke 24:33
   CGV
   Then they arose immediately and returned to Yerushalayim. There they found the eleven gathered together, and those who were with them who reported, “The master has risen indeed, and has appeared to Shimon.”

   Note: “eleven” – Thomas wasn’t there; Matthias was.

   (Side Note: For Kefa’s stated requirements for Judas Iscariot’s replacement, see Acts 1:21-22.)
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   TIME – Yeshua appears in the midst of the disciples at Yerushalayim (CG 238, Week 64, Day 443)

   MARK

   Mark 16:14
   CGV
   Afterward he appeared to the eleven as they sat at dinner and scolded them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen him after he was risen.

   Note: “eleven” – Thomas wasn’t there; Matthias was.
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   TIME – The eleven disciples go into the Galilee (CG 240, Week 64, Day 443)

   MATTHEW

   Matthew 28:16
   CGV
   Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into the mountain where Yeshua had ordained them.

   Note: Two possibilities: Either Matthias wasn’t there, or Matthias was there but Matthew’s focus was only on the disciples that Yeshua had ordained, and therefore Matthew did not include him.
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   ACTS

   TIME – A successor to Yehudas [Judas] is chosen without authorization or confirmation (CG 253, Weeks 69-70)
   Acts 1:26
   KJV
   And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

   Note: “numbered with the eleven apostles” – making 12 altogether, obviously, since Kefa wanted a successor to Judas so that there would once again be twelve

   TIME – Shimon Kefa explains the gift of the Ruach Kodesh (CG 255, Week 71)
   Acts 2:14-17
   KJV
   But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

   Note: “standing (up) with the eleven” – making 12 altogether (same meaning/usage as Acts 1:26; see previous note) – meaning similar/comparable to one doing with also the other eleven doing

   TIME – The “Greek Seven” are ordained to serve (CG 262)
   Acts 6:2
   KJV
   Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.

   Note: “twelve” – refers to Matthias and the other eleven main apostles

   (Side Note: Compare the structure here to that of Acts 1:26 and Acts 2:14; here, none of the 12 doers are singled out.)
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   TIME – Paul’s letter to the Corinthians

   PAUL

   KJV
   1Co 15:4
   And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

   1Co 15:5
   And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

   1Co 15:6
   After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

   Note: “twelve” – refers to Matthias and the other eleven main apostles

   (Side Note: Paul’s acknowledgement/inclusion of Matthias shows Paul’s humility, and his respect for Matthias, and his respect of Kefa’s decision to choose a successor to Judas. For although Paul was still a persecutor when Matthias was chosen, Paul was obviously already an apostle when he wrote this letter.)

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   Can it be stated with absolute certainty that a Psalm which has a literal meaning throughout, could not possibly also have a hidden meaning that applies at the beginning but not at the end? For if all were obvious, how hidden would anything be? It is written, “The glory of God is to conceal a thing”, and I for one choose not to limit how God could and could not hide a thing.

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   Oh how you all love to study God’s word! How wonderful! But to those of you who were again sprung forth, and not given protection – If born without protection, would this not be because you will not need it? And yet some of you have gone in search of your brother’s protection! And while it is so kind of your brother to share, that is his protection! And what is his protection might be your destruction. So turn back! For it is written, “For YHVH gives wisdom; out of His mouth come knowledge and understanding.” And also, “everyone given much, much will be demanded from him.” And also, “To the one overcoming, I will give to him to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God.”

   Love in the Messiah,
   kris

8. 

   Darren says

   From my previous life as a “Christian”, the destruction of the Temple was often an emphasis that Jesus was the Messiah, the fact that he supposedly predicted it, and it did occur in 70AD. Then I read in Deuteronomy 13 that a prophet may predict signs and wonders that will come to pass, although, they will turn people away from serving the God of Israel with the understanding of His Torah, it is a test of love:

   Deu 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
   Deu 13:2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’
   Deu 13:3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

   Another strong selling point for Jesus was Christianity’s claim that he was the ultimate sacrifice, nullifying the need for the physical Temple with the services of the Levitical Priesthood. I was convinced of this idea until I carefully read from the Prophets in context to the “new covenant”:

   Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,

   Jer 33:17 “For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,
   Jer 33:18 and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man in my presence to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices forever.”

   Hos 3:4 For the children of Israel shall dwell many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or pillar, without ephod or household gods.
   Hos 3:5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God, and David their king, and they shall come in fear to the LORD and to his goodness in the latter days.

9. 

   Roberta says

   Funny how the Messianic/Christian need so many explanations to prove their point. That it is like the video of a child confronted by breaking something. Their posts are so long.

   If you theology can’t be explained to a 7 year old, you are trying to hard.

   The reality it is that Paul taught the Zohar messiah. That is why he didn’t need to get together with the apostles, all he needed was a word that a dead messiah with a numerous followers to showed up and he was on his way. Check youtube the video of Rabbi Raskin about heaven. Paul’s theology all over (except the reincarnation part). Even the body of Messiah is explained on the video.

   Of course, he had a vision. The three children in Fatima did too.

10. 

    Andries says

    Jono, I enjoy this, but for the Rabbi, even the Rabbi’s take verses out of context to give them more authority (As per the book by Nehemia Gordon The Greek Jesus vs Hebrew Yeshua). But I do agree that most of these are sad to hear. The Book of Mormon has better evidence. Joseph Smith said that Jesus was the great Jehovah and that the Godhead consists of Elohim and Jehovah, God the Father and God the Son(Jesus) the Son being the creator under the direction of God the Father. But I believe there are 2 Messiah, Jesus THE MESSIAH and Redeemer and the Messiah King that Jews talk about, aka Anti-Christ, Anti not being bad, but being another Christ. The Book of Moses states that Jesus is the one that will redeem all people.