Through Whom Must the Messiah Descend? – Rabbi Michael Skobac
“Second Samuel Seven Sixteen” is a tongue twister for Christianity for more reasons than one! Listen as Michael Skobac explains the messianic significance of 2 Sam 7:12-16. This segment was taken from a study that investigated 365 “messianic prophecies” that Christians claim Jesus fulfilled from the Hebrew Bible!
Strange that the first prophecy of the messiah was addressed to ha-nachash and describes the Messiah as the Seed of a woman, (Khavah or Eve), when the “normal” way of reckoning descent of the Messiah is through male lines. Jeremiah 31:22 is interesting in that it seems to flip the tables on what we consider “normal”. Could it be that the line of David as king could at some point be reckoned according to a woman’s offspring? Was the “Seed” that would one day be the Messiah “built” by the Lord into Khavah when she was “built” by Him? Adam was “squeezed out” (yatzar) like a lump of clay in a potter’s hand. Khavah was “built” (ven), something more complicated and requiring more skill to understand. (creating an association through word play with ‘binah’?) Arthur Custance wrote a book titled “The Seed of the Woman” where he goes into the unusual genetic process that is now called mitochondrial genetics. To use a crude example, most people assume that an egg is the female chicken’s way of reproducing herself, but in actuality this has the cart before the horse. It is more like the hen is the egg’s way of reproducing and continuing itself. Deciding which view is correct all depends on whether the chicken or the egg is seen as being preeminent.
One other thing, if one were to assume that The Seed of Khavah could be brought forth by a virgin birth, that Seed can still function as “kinsman redeemer” for Adam since Khavah is bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh.
Hey. Jesus is very real. He let me see his face before he sent me the Holy Spirit. I am witness to him. You guys are deluded and without excuse.
Well you either read it like if he meant it as an eventual spiritual world throne or you accept that it was completely and only meant for Solomon’s lineage and of course davidic kingdom ended around 580bc so God did not keep his promise.
Read the entire 1 chronicles and 2 samuel again if you need to – look at what God actually promises and what Solomon takes it to mean and does. For example does God tell Solomon that his kingdom will be forever? Solomon quotes the previous verses of what God stated but does that mean that is what God actually meant what Solomon said?
BTW no where does it say that the everlasting kingdom must come from Solomon’s seed. Not quite sure what bible they are reading.
Ezekiel speaks of the King of Tyre as the cherub in the garden – who sinned against God. Who do you think he is speaking of? Yes actually the King of Tyre, but does that mean you don’t take the account in the garden to be fact? 2 things can be grasped from 1 statement. This denotes that The king was wicked and would be pushed but that there was also a divine being (a cherub – who shined -adorned with gems )that sinned against God and was cast down. Will let you figure who that waas – no, not Adam.